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Hopeless Hyperbole: The Internet Debate Over Disney’s Frozen
[snip]If all discussions about Frozen (and to a larger extent, Disney as a whole) were as mature and rational as this one I don’t think I would be nearly as annoyed by the entire thing.
That’s what I want, I don’t want emotional blindness on either side. I’d much rather have an objective, mature discussion on the topic about various cultural influences and race representation. This task seems to be absolutely above and beyond the majority of the internet. We can’t even GET to the point of “is this a problem or not?” because of all the blind emotional mudslinging and irrationality.
This was absolutely lovely and wonderfully informative, bravo!
Actually, you totally missed the point.
The entire point of the article I wrote is that people are framing the debate as if it must be argued on the grounds of “historical facts”, when actually, it has NOTHING to do with historical facts and everything to do with racism in modern society, and how it affects our media and discussions of media.
It’s honestly a cultural fallacy that “emotion” and “reason” are opposites, as is the concept that being emotionally and personally detached to the degree that anyone could be described as “objective” is ridiculous.
This makes you sound like someone who will refuse to look at or acknowledge a blatant injustice/inequality that exists unless it’s presented in a way that doesn’t make them feel accused or uncomfortable. Complimenting me for not making you uncomfortable is not a compliment I value.
You see, on the one hand, it seems as though you’re complimenting me, but on the other, what you’re really doing is insulting anyone who might be understandably upset by a really obvious form of systematic racism. Exclusion is a form of racism. You can SAY you don’t want “emotional blindness on either side”, but all this does is reinforce the notion that anger at being subjected to racism and emotional investment in white supremacy are morally equivalent, and they are NOT.
Framing anger at being subjected to racism as “irrational” is a form of racism.
In the OP, I talk about emotional investment in white supremacy, versus understandable rage by people who are disenfranchised by white supremacy.
It is NOT an excuse to bash people who are subjected to racism and angry about it.
This post isn’t a call for “maturity and objectivity”. It is literally the opposite of that: a call for the acknowledgement that this has more to do with human emotional attachment to stories and how we internalize messages in the media we see, that either does or does not represent us, and the quality of that representation.
I think you misunderstood? Or maybe I wasn’t clear enough?
I’m not saying “being mad about racism is irrational” that’s entirely justified.
I’m saying that we can’t even get to the question of “is Disney racist or not?” because whenever that question gets brought up all I get met with is trolling and insults from pretty much all sides of the equation. On one hand it seems to be “If you don’t think Disney is racist THEN YOU’RE A HORRIBLE PERSON” and the other hand of the debate is “if you think Disney is racist THEN YOU’RE A HORRIBLE PERSON!”
I can’t win. I’m talking about a non-objective emotional response where the general mood is pure anger and irrationality.
I understand people being angry about systematic racism, I hate that too. However channeling your anger into a well worded response is much more reasonable then just jumping down people’s throats YELLING CURSE WORDS IN ALL CAPS LIKE THIS which is pretty much 99% of what I’ve read about the entire Frozen debate. Except for your post which I appreciated because it was a drop of sanity in an ocean of insults and keyboard rage. (No seriously, it’s literally the first well-worded, rational post I’ve read on the subject.)
Maybe I should have said if the Frozen debate was as maturely worded as your response was?
For the record I am complementing you, I actually really love your blog and re-blog you almost every day. I completely agree with you that our media seriously under represents POC and that’s a huge problem.
And it’s when you think we agree that I feel like I’ve made an enormous mistake.
I’d also appreciate it if you stopped using disability as an insult. Racist people aren’t “blind” and angry people aren’t “insane”.
The only reason you elevate what I’m saying is because I’m using words and phrasing you’ve been conditioned to respect because learning to use them is expensive. My education was expensive, therefore, you respect the money I paid for it. Not me. Every single idea I’ve expressed above can also be just as accurately expressed with all caps and screaming.
You want the content and the value I provide, with a tone you find acceptable. You don’t want to feel uncomfortable. You’re complimenting me for making you feel comfortable with what I have to say, without making you feel accountable or examining yourself.
I don’t accept.
Medievalpoc is not a paper tiger for you to hide behind and accuse people who can’t afford a six figure education of being “irrational”.
This blog is about accessibility. For people with disabilities, people who can’t afford college or received a subpar public education, for people who don’t want to go to college, and for people who dropped out of high school. This blog is about puncturing the inflated importance of academic jargon, creating a relatively supportive or safe environment to discuss experiences, creativity, inspiration, and a love of history.
Denying access to knowledge that could significantly change perceptions of history that, in turn, shape our expectation of the media produced by the culture we belong to is a grave injustice.
Pretending that the history of Denmark is more relevant to Disney’s Frozen than children of color receiving the unspoken message that their stories are not worth telling is a grave injustice.
Pretending that me not using cusses and hurting your feelings makes what I say more “legitimate” or “respectable” is frankly, bullshit. People who consider themselves “moderates” and casually dismiss “both sides” do far more to perpetuate injustice, because they make themselves seem so reasonable. After all, they’re not hurting anyone, right?
They’re just allowing it to pass by unchecked, and leave their role in society unexamined, and continue to believe that their “default” position is neutral. I had hoped that followers of this blog might have guessed by now that neutrality isn’t really an option; “going with the flow” in a systemically racist society is to BE racist.
I’ve spoken at length about dominant narratives and creating COUNTERnarratives; the resistance and backlash to this blog’s mere existence should demonstrate that a counternarrative is, by its creation, an act of defiance and confrontation.
All your compliments on how reasonable and mature I supposedly am do nothing but undermine people who do not have the luxury of seeming dispassionate about these things, and don’t have a sack full of million-dollar words at their disposal. You’re trying to invalidate people’s voices, to ignore them until they seem more palatable to you. Until they make you feel comfortable.
If you are comfortable, I AM DOING SOMETHING WRONG.
Frequently, running this blog is uncomfortable for me, and I am always trying to analyze what I say from as many possible perspectives as I can. I try to think about how what I say can be used against other people, in exactly this way.
My hope is that everyone who reads my writing and follows this project will analyze how they are affected by this content, and how this content affects or does not affect them. We are ALL a part of this story. We are ALL shaped by our history.And that’s where this sentiment, that you only want to hear these things in a certain “tone”, becomes sinister.
Teaching what people would rather not learn is especially tough if you are a woman or a minority professor. Research shows that our customers rate Asian-American, Hispanic, black, and women professors lower than white male professors across all subjects. Most disturbingly, student evaluations of women of color are harshest when customers are told that the results will be “communicated to a third party for the purposes of evaluation.” Our customers are not only disinclined to like tough subjects; they’re also inclined to take their discomfort out on minority professors, who are the least likely to have the protection of tenure or support from university administration.Learning is—should often be—uncomfortable for individuals. When universities have a mission to serve the public good, they balance the needs of individuals with benefits to society and the power of the majority against the humanity of the minority.Invoking stereotypes like “too angry”, “irrational” or “overly emotional”, does nothing but disenfranchise the same people it always does. Emotion and anger does not invalidate people’s voices, and pretending like one “side” of the debate is no better or worse than the other is a false equivalency that perpetuates injustice against the side that is already disenfranchised. Adding six pounds to each side of a scale that is already loaded on one side does not fix the imbalance.I do not accept your compliment, nor do I take it as anything but the attempt to use your acceptance of my “tone” as anything but a tool of silencing against others.
High profile court cases regarding race are very frustrating for me,
because I’ve noticed that it can perpetuate this idea that shit like this doesn’t happen all the time,that this is some off the wall isolated incident.
as if the ideals these men, George Zimmerman and Michael Dunn had about black men and black bodies aren’t the same ideologies this entire country is built on.
Black bodies are silently being killed, destroyed, dismantled, devalued, every second of everyday of life from the second this country was formed and it hasn’t stopped since.
so now you have these “sympathetic” white people crying out in outrage about how ridiculous this Michael Dunn case is,
But naw man this shit ain’t ridiculous, this is our life.
We don’t gasp in shock when we hear stories like this, especially in the south.
because for us, there is already an understanding drilled into us from youth that in this country we must tread lightly
because black bodies are expendable.
and in cases like this whether they are found guilty or innocent I guarantee within a week or two all that loud outrage will be forgotten and all will go back to what it was before.
The world where race “isn’t a real issue..”
and all these shocked and disgusted white people will go back to their regularly scheduled programming
and everything will be exactly what it was and always has been.